A heated exchange unfolded on Tuesday, November 25, 2025 during a Channels Television interview between Islamic cleric Sheikh Ahmad Gumi and presenter Uzonno Geoffery, as both men sharply disagreed over claims of a Christian genocide in parts of northern Nigeria. Gumi, who earlier argued that foreign governments were mischaracterizing Nigeria’s security crisis as a strictly religious conflict, insisted again that both Muslims and Christians were victims of widespread violence. He said: “Everyone, Muslims can show you the graves of people, they were massacred and killed too, but we don’t do that, so that we have peace on the land.”
Uzonno, however, challenged this position, stating that facts and lived experiences must not be downplayed: “All right, Sheikh, you know, the argument would be some people say some Christians are more killed in one area than the other. Now, I think we can all agree that we all want peace, you, we, everyone wants peace, but there cannot be peace or justice or healing without justice, and one of those justice has to be the truth.” He added that many victims maintain they are being targeted on the basis of their faith: “So, when persons like you say there’s no Christian genocide, that in itself turning logic on its head… if we want to really solve this problem… it’s important you also agree that there is some form of Christian genocide in parts of the north.”
Gumi doubled down, rejecting the term “Christian genocide,” and insisted the violence was not faith-based: “If you say there is genocide that affects Christians and Muslims, nobody will argue with you.” “When you say there’s a Christian genocide, and a genocide directed specifically because somebody is protesting Christianity, there is none in Nigeria. There is none,” he added.
Uzonno pushed back again, he said; “There is, Sheikh Gumi.” — but Gumi maintained his stance: “As far as I know, there is none. You cannot force somebody to do something.” The cleric later shifted tone, saying that even if such targeted killings were occurring, the government must take responsibility: “Okay, let’s, for argument’s sake, believe there are some people who are targeting Christians and killing them. This is the work of the government to stop them from doing that.”
He emphasised community-driven dialogue as a path to peace: “A clergy of both Muslim and Christians have been going around to affected communities… We’ve settled issues, so why can’t we do it nationwide? We’re not inviting somebody whose hand is also stained with the blood of children and women.” As the interview wrapped, Uzonno stressed the importance of acknowledging the experiences of victims: “Yes, Sheikh, we’re totally out of time… All sides must be heard, but we cannot just build it based on dismissing somebody’s reality… rather address it.”
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